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mrdames
05-30-2013, 07:28 AM
Hi

I have recently purchased a Larrivee guitar OM model which has an L.R.Baggs magnetic pickups installed in it.

The problem I have is that I incorporate a lot of body percussion in my playing which the pickup does not pickup. lol :)

Would I be able to hook up the lyric microphone pickup to the one already in my guitar and run it through the same single jack output?

Cheers

Matthew Dames

Caleb_Elling
05-30-2013, 08:50 AM
Hey Matthew,
Do you know if the pickup in the guitar is active or passive? The Passive M1 can be used on the same jack as the Lyric, but the M1 Active can not. You will only be able to use a stereo output though, which will require either two channels on an amps or PA, or a blending preamp.

Walternativo
06-05-2013, 09:33 AM
I have the same problem on my brand new Martin Hd28. I have installed myself the Lyric, but then I asked to a "my" luthier if he could connect my passive M1 to the Lyric endpin jack preamp to get a stereo signal for my Headaway edb-1 preamp (it has a stereo in to re-separate signals and handle the gains separately), and he said it's impossbile. As far as I understood, he mainteined the active pickups like the Lyric cannot be a part of a double pickup system with stereo output, beacause of something to do with the battery switch. What can I do (except change the luthier :) ?

Caleb_Elling
06-05-2013, 09:47 AM
Just tell your Luther that the Lyric is designed to add a passive magnetic pickup to the ring of the jack without interfering with the Lyric signal. There is a spot on the PC board for a signal lead and a ground lead from the magnetic pickup. The signal lead from the pickup wires to the round solder pad, and the ground lead goes to the square solder pad.

If you were trying to add the M1 Active, it would not work.

Walternativo
06-05-2013, 03:29 PM
Thanks a lot. I just wanted to thank the lrbaggs to be the most innovative company always searching for best solutions tonobtain pickups that sounds like a microphone. Since the ibeam, then the m1, anthem and now the lyric. And because you all are so professional and always answer to my questions so clearly and quickly. Thanks a lot from southern italy

jbreiner
08-02-2013, 12:00 PM
Caleb, just picked up a Lyric for installation to my Larrivee (1975). I spoke with Bryan about this issue and he said it IS possible. However, as you see in the attached there is no round solder pad though there does SEEM to be a square one. Can you direct me correctly here?

5253
Just tell your Luther that the Lyric is designed to add a passive magnetic pickup to the ring of the jack without interfering with the Lyric signal. There is a spot on the PC board for a signal lead and a ground lead from the magnetic pickup. The signal lead from the pickup wires to the round solder pad, and the ground lead goes to the square solder pad.

If you were trying to add the M1 Active, it would not work.

Caleb_Elling
08-05-2013, 08:47 AM
On the serial# side of the preamp, there is a square pad, and a round hole. The ground goes to the square pad and the signal goes into the round hole. Sorry for the confusion.

45flint
08-19-2013, 11:33 AM
On the serial# side of the preamp, there is a square pad, and a round hole. The ground goes to the square pad and the signal goes into the round hole. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks much for this, soldered in a magnetic pickup very easily, over the weekend, works great, no cross talk, great separation of signals in dual channel preamp. Using it just to augment the bass a little. Steve

mwdjones
09-12-2014, 04:32 AM
Just tell your Luther that the Lyric is designed to add a passive magnetic pickup to the ring of the jack without interfering with the Lyric signal. There is a spot on the PC board for a signal lead and a ground lead from the magnetic pickup. The signal lead from the pickup wires to the round solder pad, and the ground lead goes to the square solder pad.

If you were trying to add the M1 Active, it would not work.

Hi Caleb - I am new to this forum and have just bought a Lyric. I am interested in whether the Fishman undersaddle pickup which my guitar currently has, but doesn't sound that great, could be still connected to the spare pads to take the signal out but obviously it would have to go to an external (powered) pre-amp to be able to be used? Is that correct? I would rather not rip it out completely and just have an option for somewhere down the line. Thanks. Mike

Caleb_Elling
09-12-2014, 08:43 AM
Hi Caleb - I am new to this forum and have just bought a Lyric. I am interested in whether the Fishman undersaddle pickup which my guitar currently has, but doesn't sound that great, could be still connected to the spare pads to take the signal out but obviously it would have to go to an external (powered) pre-amp to be able to be used? Is that correct? I would rather not rip it out completely and just have an option for somewhere down the line. Thanks. Mike

Hey Mike,
Welcome to the forum! What Fishman pickup do you currently have? If the pickup can be used passively (as recommended by Fishman), then there should bo no problem connecting it to the Lyric preamp for stereo output. If the pickup requires it's own internal preamp, then it would not work.

If you're not sure, you can tell me the model and I can find out that information for you.

mwdjones
09-13-2014, 11:23 AM
Hey Mike,
Welcome to the forum! What Fishman pickup do you currently have? If the pickup can be used passively (as recommended by Fishman), then there should bo no problem connecting it to the Lyric preamp for stereo output. If the pickup requires it's own internal preamp, then it would not work.

If you're not sure, you can tell me the model and I can find out that information for you.

Thanks Caleb. It is a Matrix Infinity. I have managed to remove it without damage including the undersaddle pickup. It has not affected the action which I was expecting but it means that if it cannot be connected to the Lyric pre-amp it is not a major problem. I would still be interested to know if it would work though. Many thanks. Mike

Caleb_Elling
09-15-2014, 10:10 AM
Ok,
The Matrix is a Piezo crystal pickup, so it should have enough output to connect to the Lyric jack without any major issues. The Matrix may require an additional gain stage (preamp to boost the signal) in order to run into a mixer with enough gain, but it's hard to say. I'm not very familiar with the Matrix, specifically.

Stereo setups can get pretty complicated, pretty quickly. Do you already have a stereo capable preamp or mixer that you plan on using?

mwdjones
09-17-2014, 12:51 PM
Ok,
The Matrix is a Piezo crystal pickup, so it should have enough output to connect to the Lyric jack without any major issues. The Matrix may require an additional gain stage (preamp to boost the signal) in order to run into a mixer with enough gain, but it's hard to say. I'm not very familiar with the Matrix, specifically.

Stereo setups can get pretty complicated, pretty quickly. Do you already have a stereo capable preamp or mixer that you plan on using?

Hi Caleb. That's really helpful. Thank you. I will probably not re-fit the Matrix just yet but it is great to know it is an option for the future.

twalk
11-19-2014, 03:15 PM
Hi Caleb,

This is great to know as I was thinking of using the m1 alongside the lyric. Which preamp would you recommend to combine the two signals into a mono feed? I currently have a para di but don't know if it's capable of the latter?

Tom

Caleb_Elling
11-19-2014, 04:11 PM
Hey Tom,
The Para DI, unfortunately, is not capable of accepting a stereo signal. The only external stereo preamp that we make is the Mixpro, and that is fairly minimal in it's controls compared to a lot of other pre's. If you want a simple preamp, then it's great. It will take your stereo guitar signal and mix it down to a mono one through a gvery clean preamp.

If you want a stereo preamp with more EQ options and maybe a DI output, then I would recommend something like the Headway EDB-2.

I hope that helps.